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Sent: 05-01-2023 14:22
From: Chris Barker
Subject: Zahn - Human Side of Statistical Consulting
Thank you.
I believe I attended their presentation at the CSP in San Francisco in January.
Subsequently I have invited one of the speakers at the CSP to attend the upcoming meeting of the Section Elected officers aka "the EC" to discuss those important resources.. We will discuss how best to integrate their efforts and resources with the Section resources for statistical consulting.
I also plan for discussion of role play at the Business meeting in Toronto.. I encourage interested people attend the Section Business meeting. -at a previously announced offsite location, near the Toronto HQ meeting venue. IN addition to the role play, there will be other important discussion items at the business meeting. I will post the agenda about a week before the JSM.
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Chris Barker, Ph.D.
2023 Chair Statistical Consulting Section
Consultant and
Adjunct Associate Professor of Biostatistics
www.barkerstats.com
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"In composition you have all the time you want to decide what to say in 15 seconds, in improvisation you have 15 seconds."
-Steve Lacy
Original Message:
Sent: 05-01-2023 11:24
From: Daniel Coven
Subject: Zahn - Human Side of Statistical Consulting
Julia Sharp, Emily Griffith, and Megan Higgs have developed a 10 part video series using role-playing as part of a wider curriculum for training collaborative statisticians.
Video series is located at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueF1oe0ct4s&list=PLCqpxiFnahaBFnIXIWmTE1eYpa2ov5VWL&index=4
Sharp, Julia L., Emily H. Griffith, and Megan D. Higgs. "Setting the Stage: Statistical Collaboration Videos for Training the Next Generation of Applied Statisticians." Journal of Statistics and Data Science Education 29, no. 2 (May 4, 2021): 165–70. https://doi.org/10.1080/26939169.2021.1934202.
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Daniel Coven
Research Analyst
College of Health Solutions
Arizona State University
Daniel.Coven@asu.edu
Original Message:
Sent: 05-01-2023 11:07
From: Robert Riffenburgh
Subject: Zahn - Human Side of Statistical Consulting
I had no idea other statisticians had used role-playing. (I should have.)
In a statistical consulting practicum, I taught at San Diego State University, I tried to prepare my students for the difficult non-statisticians they would encounter sooner or later. The student played the statistician and I played the antagonist.
Some of the roles I took were the data fudger, the hostile client, the "I just want a t test for my multivariable, multi-group study" character, the "I know the stats I want--you just do the calculations" character, the "I don't care if my assumptions are wrong--the numbers show what I want to show" character, the statistically ignorant client who thinks addition is higher math, and others. It was fun and the students liked it.
For too many years, formal education has forged capable statisticians and then cast them into the real world. They had to learn by themselves how to build the bridge between solid statistics and the porous expectations of non-statistician statistics users. We should be giving them some tools to build that bridge.
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Bob Riffenburgh
Retired (Mostly)
Original Message:
Sent: 04-29-2023 17:11
From: Neal Fultz
Subject: Zahn - Human Side of Statistical Consulting
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Sent: 4/29/2023 4:37:00 PM
From: Jimmy Efird
Subject: RE: Zahn - Human Side of Statistical Consulting
Some things never change like Chapter 8 on Difficult Clients! J-
Original Message:
Sent: 4/29/2023 3:05:00 PM
From: Chris Barker
Subject: Zahn - Human Side of Statistical Consulting
This is a follow-on to my earlier post about the use of "role play" to facilitate/train consultants in consulting.
Doug Zahn (retired at UFl) and James Boen co-authored a text, titled "The Human Side of Statistical consulting" . The book is available on eBay and amazon . I ordered a copy and below provide a scan of the Table of Contents.
I recommend locating the book - it may be a very useful addition to a statistical consultants library.
Boen, James R., and Douglas A. Zahn. The human side of statistical consulting. No. 04; QA276. 17, B6.. Belmont, CA: Lifetime Learning Publications, 1982.
a link to my scan of the TOC (I have no idea what "withdrawn" stamp means. The book seems to have originated from Library in Tennessee and last checked out in 1992 !.)
And brief recap of the background , Doug and Walt Stroup (retired U Nebraska) organized a role play at the 1987 JSM in San Francisco (more than 30 years ago). The role play itself involved Sandra Stinettt (currently @Duke, as the client) and Walt Stroup (as consultant). That session was video recorded at the time. We are still attempting to locate a copy of the video (likely in VHS format ).. Sandra recalls that the consulting session involved a situation where "her manager needed a p-value right away". Walt's recollection is that the consulting problem itself likely arose from his work in consulting on Agriculture related projects. And as we continue to reconstruct the role play in 1987, Dan Boroto (at the time a psychologist at UFL) and Doug used replay of the video to devise and ask questions of the consultant/client (Walt and Sandra). And the recollection of one of Dan's questions at the time was whether the actual client was Sandra or her manager.
I spoke with both Sandra and Walt a couple weeks ago. And briefly, both suggested finding a copy of Doug's book. Walt explained that the book and the 1987 role play focused on the "people skills" required for statistical consulting.
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At the Section Business meeting in Toronto I will give an update for the section on Role play . I am currently considering organizing a role play for the 2024 JSM Portland (not for Toronto!)
For those able to locate and order a copy of the book, it is excellent background to Doug Zahn's and his colleagues approach to teaching the people skills involved in statistical consulting.
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Chris Barker, Ph.D.
2023 Chair Statistical Consulting Section
Consultant and
Adjunct Associate Professor of Biostatistics
www.barkerstats.com
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"In composition you have all the time you want to decide what to say in 15 seconds, in improvisation you have 15 seconds."
-Steve Lacy
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