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Hello,

I have some mathematical and statistical material to type or get into printed form.  In previous efforts, I have done fairly well with "Word Equation" after you get the hang of it.  But project is a longer work and so I am looking for a simple perhaps downloadable add-in to MS Word. With, perhaps if lucky,  a tutorial on utube.  I

believe there is something called "Mathtrack" or something like that.  At any rate, I would like to do some writing involving integrals, summations, limits, histograms, plots.  And not be thinking about how to get it on paper rather than what is on the paper.  I know all about how "R" is used but would prefer to not have something so cryptic to me. I realize it is quite a tool these days but am hoping to find something simpler or more natural to me, an older guy. 

I use Minitab, have taken a lot of SAS courses and used it some and of course know Excel but need something that handles mathematical symbols, etc. I realize you can do just about anything with SAS if you are willing to build it molecule by molecule but that is not what I want.  I want to maximize thinking about math and minimize computers yet be able to communicate clearly.

Any suggestions welcome.

Thank you very much.

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J. Dobbins
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There is a product for typesetting math by Design Science called MathType.  It replaces the limited equation editor bundled with MS Word.

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Hello,

I have some mathematical and statistical material to type or get into printed form.  In previous efforts, I have done fairly well with "Word Equation" after you get the hang of it.  But project is a longer work and so I am looking for a simple perhaps downloadable add-in to MS Word. With, perhaps if lucky,  a tutorial on utube.  I

believe there is something called "Mathtrack" or something like that.  At any rate, I would like to do some writing involving integrals, summations, limits, histograms, plots.  And not be thinking about how to get it on paper rather than what is on the paper.  I know all about how "R" is used but would prefer to not have something so cryptic to me. I realize it is quite a tool these days but am hoping to find something simpler or more natural to me, an older guy. 

I use Minitab, have taken a lot of SAS courses and used it some and of course know Excel but need something that handles mathematical symbols, etc. I realize you can do just about anything with SAS if you are willing to build it molecule by molecule but that is not what I want.  I want to maximize thinking about math and minimize computers yet be able to communicate clearly.

Any suggestions welcome.

Thank you very much.

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J. Dobbins
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Hi,

Last year I needed to create equations for some book chapters written in MS Word for Windows. My collaborator suggested I look at a product called "MathType", which is downloadable and which does charge a modest fee to be licensed. I've found it to be pretty user-friendly for this old guy.

   http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

HTH,

Tor

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Torsten Neilands
Professor of Medicine
UCSF Center for AIDS Prevention Studies
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------Original Message------

Hi,

Last year I needed to create equations for some book chapters written in MS Word for Windows. My collaborator suggested I look at a product called "MathType", which is downloadable and which does charge a modest fee to be licensed. I've found it to be pretty user-friendly for this old guy.

   http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

HTH,

Tor

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Torsten Neilands
Professor of Medicine
UCSF Center for AIDS Prevention Studies
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 21:06
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

This message has been cross posted to the following eGroups: ASA Connect and Statistical Consulting Section .
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Hello,

I have some mathematical and statistical material to type or get into printed form.  In previous efforts, I have done fairly well with "Word Equation" after you get the hang of it.  But project is a longer work and so I am looking for a simple perhaps downloadable add-in to MS Word. With, perhaps if lucky,  a tutorial on utube.  I

believe there is something called "Mathtrack" or something like that.  At any rate, I would like to do some writing involving integrals, summations, limits, histograms, plots.  And not be thinking about how to get it on paper rather than what is on the paper.  I know all about how "R" is used but would prefer to not have something so cryptic to me. I realize it is quite a tool these days but am hoping to find something simpler or more natural to me, an older guy. 

I use Minitab, have taken a lot of SAS courses and used it some and of course know Excel but need something that handles mathematical symbols, etc. I realize you can do just about anything with SAS if you are willing to build it molecule by molecule but that is not what I want.  I want to maximize thinking about math and minimize computers yet be able to communicate clearly.

Any suggestions welcome.

Thank you very much.

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J. Dobbins
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I have used Mathtype for years and really like it. It's the full version of the Word Equation Editor, installs as a Word add-in, but it does a lot more complex formulas, and much more easily. It has a lower price for academics. I do all my student handouts, exams, and papers with it, and it also has options for web pages.
http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

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Annette Gourgey
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Some strong advice: Just switch to LaTeX.

Trust me it is well worth the minor learning curve. I picked it up in about two weeks and never looked back. Word has to be the most useless method of typesetting equations possible. Many templates and guides online to use LaTeX and the equation writing is natural and simple. And laying out a set of equations and aligning them is simple compared to the hair pulling frustration you will deal with in Word.

Once you switch you will wonder what you were thinking doing it in Word.



Ike


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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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If you're going the LaTeX route, I can suggest LyX as a front end that makes life a lot easier, in terms of all the LaTeX specific coding.

You can also go the Markdown -> Word docx route. Markdown, and specially the Pandoc variant, can incorporate citations and labels pretty easily now and have them automatically formatted based on csl files.

Both are pretty easy and ensure good looking, properly formatted documents

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Some strong advice: Just switch to LaTeX.

Trust me it is well worth the minor learning curve. I picked it up in about two weeks and never looked back. Word has to be the most useless method of typesetting equations possible. Many templates and guides online to use LaTeX and the equation writing is natural and simple. And laying out a set of equations and aligning them is simple compared to the hair pulling frustration you will deal with in Word.

Once you switch you will wonder what you were thinking doing it in Word.



Ike


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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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Original Message:
Sent: 2/18/2015 9:34:36 PM
From: wde@pdx.edu
Subject: RE:Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Some strong advice: Just switch to LaTeX.

Trust me it is well worth the minor learning curve. I picked it up in about two weeks and never looked back. Word has to be the most useless method of typesetting equations possible. Many templates and guides online to use LaTeX and the equation writing is natural and simple. And laying out a set of equations and aligning them is simple compared to the hair pulling frustration you will deal with in Word.

Once you switch you will wonder what you were thinking doing it in Word.



Ike


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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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Since MathType has a 30-day free trial, you can try all these alternatives with no cost and then see what suits you.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 22:05
From: Mark Lancaster
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word


MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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------Original Message------

Since MathType has a 30-day free trial, you can try all these alternatives with no cost and then see what suits you.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 22:05
From: Mark Lancaster
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word


MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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My point is more along the lines of "using MS Word format for the underlying documents is fairly useless if you know LaTeX".

I don't know why anyone would purposely and willfully use MS Word to typeset anything mathematical or statistical.

But to each their own.

Ike

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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 22:05
From: Mark Lancaster
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word


MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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The debate and comparative considerations of MS Word and LaTeX needs a little context.

1) Will the work product (WP) be large (book, manual) or small (article)?

Small documents can be handled in either case. As the document becomes larger, the advantages of LaTeX increase.

2) How many formulae will be produced?

If just a few, it's probably a wash. If multiple formulae as in a book, LaTeX is the more than obvious choice. One simple reason: You can write a macro or definition which can write a formula. That means that instead of writing the same formula over and over and making small changes in the symbols, you can write a small definition and make changes more simply and more accurately.

3) Is the effort a solo effort (one author) or a collaborative effort?

If the effort is collaborative, both must use the same toolset. Converting from LaTeX to Word is hard. Going from Word to LaTeX is not possible without rewriting the document. Revising a document in two formats is not a productive use of time and energy.

4) Are there other non-verbal features (pictures, drawings, etc) to be incorporated?

LaTeX can make the incorporation of external material more simple and straight-forward.

5) Are revisions of the document contemplated?

If so, LaTeX has many advantages. In particular, the formulae can be more easily seen and manipulated. In addition, in LaTeX, you can insert comments which are not part of the final document to clarify the text.

I have used LaTeX since 1983, and am the author of a class (newlfm, which composes letters and incorporates an address database). I enjoy LaTeX, but it has its limits. Large complex documents with many formulae would benefit from LaTeX. Small documents with few formulae can be done in Word.



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Paul Thompson
Director, Methodology and Data Analysis Center
Sanford Research/USD
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 00:39
From: William Eisenhauer
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

My point is more along the lines of "using MS Word format for the underlying documents is fairly useless if you know LaTeX".

I don't know why anyone would purposely and willfully use MS Word to typeset anything mathematical or statistical.

But to each their own.

Ike

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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 22:05
From: Mark Lancaster
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word


MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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I have no experience with LaTeX so can't judge that, but what I can say is that the full MathType is nothing like the Word Equation Editor regarding both versatility and ease of use. For free one can try both and compare.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 01:02
From: Paul Thompson
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

The debate and comparative considerations of MS Word and LaTeX needs a little context.

1) Will the work product (WP) be large (book, manual) or small (article)?

Small documents can be handled in either case. As the document becomes larger, the advantages of LaTeX increase.

2) How many formulae will be produced?

If just a few, it's probably a wash. If multiple formulae as in a book, LaTeX is the more than obvious choice. One simple reason: You can write a macro or definition which can write a formula. That means that instead of writing the same formula over and over and making small changes in the symbols, you can write a small definition and make changes more simply and more accurately.

3) Is the effort a solo effort (one author) or a collaborative effort?

If the effort is collaborative, both must use the same toolset. Converting from LaTeX to Word is hard. Going from Word to LaTeX is not possible without rewriting the document. Revising a document in two formats is not a productive use of time and energy.

4) Are there other non-verbal features (pictures, drawings, etc) to be incorporated?

LaTeX can make the incorporation of external material more simple and straight-forward.

5) Are revisions of the document contemplated?

If so, LaTeX has many advantages. In particular, the formulae can be more easily seen and manipulated. In addition, in LaTeX, you can insert comments which are not part of the final document to clarify the text.

I have used LaTeX since 1983, and am the author of a class (newlfm, which composes letters and incorporates an address database). I enjoy LaTeX, but it has its limits. Large complex documents with many formulae would benefit from LaTeX. Small documents with few formulae can be done in Word.



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Paul Thompson
Director, Methodology and Data Analysis Center
Sanford Research/USD
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 00:39
From: William Eisenhauer
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

My point is more along the lines of "using MS Word format for the underlying documents is fairly useless if you know LaTeX".

I don't know why anyone would purposely and willfully use MS Word to typeset anything mathematical or statistical.

But to each their own.

Ike

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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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------Original Message------

I have no experience with LaTeX so can't judge that, but what I can say is that the full MathType is nothing like the Word Equation Editor regarding both versatility and ease of use. For free one can try both and compare.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 01:02
From: Paul Thompson
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

The debate and comparative considerations of MS Word and LaTeX needs a little context.

1) Will the work product (WP) be large (book, manual) or small (article)?

Small documents can be handled in either case. As the document becomes larger, the advantages of LaTeX increase.

2) How many formulae will be produced?

If just a few, it's probably a wash. If multiple formulae as in a book, LaTeX is the more than obvious choice. One simple reason: You can write a macro or definition which can write a formula. That means that instead of writing the same formula over and over and making small changes in the symbols, you can write a small definition and make changes more simply and more accurately.

3) Is the effort a solo effort (one author) or a collaborative effort?

If the effort is collaborative, both must use the same toolset. Converting from LaTeX to Word is hard. Going from Word to LaTeX is not possible without rewriting the document. Revising a document in two formats is not a productive use of time and energy.

4) Are there other non-verbal features (pictures, drawings, etc) to be incorporated?

LaTeX can make the incorporation of external material more simple and straight-forward.

5) Are revisions of the document contemplated?

If so, LaTeX has many advantages. In particular, the formulae can be more easily seen and manipulated. In addition, in LaTeX, you can insert comments which are not part of the final document to clarify the text.

I have used LaTeX since 1983, and am the author of a class (newlfm, which composes letters and incorporates an address database). I enjoy LaTeX, but it has its limits. Large complex documents with many formulae would benefit from LaTeX. Small documents with few formulae can be done in Word.



-------------------------------------------
Paul Thompson
Director, Methodology and Data Analysis Center
Sanford Research/USD
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 00:39
From: William Eisenhauer
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

My point is more along the lines of "using MS Word format for the underlying documents is fairly useless if you know LaTeX".

I don't know why anyone would purposely and willfully use MS Word to typeset anything mathematical or statistical.

But to each their own.

Ike

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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 22:05
From: Mark Lancaster
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word


MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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I've been typing formulas in both word (occasionally) and latex (mostly). Of course LaTeX produces better-looking formulas. But if you prefer word to prepare your document, we can certainly use "LaTeX-like commands" to produce formulas in word. For example, press Alt + = brings up the equation editor, then commands like "\sum, \int, \sqrt, ^, _" all work like in LaTeX. Many symbols can be produced using LaTeX-like command directly in word:

https://support.office.microsoft.com/en-us/article/Math-AutoCorrect-symbols-b8b463d9-f47d-45c4-a00f-9245c2b38843?CorrelationId=9508344b-5dfd-4c59-9f1b-356e65127fc0&ui=en-US&rs=en-US&ad=US

This became particularly useful in Powerpoint 2010+ (not in 2007), where you can type formulas like in Latex and have more flexibility if you prefer office to make slides.

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Ming Zhou
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 09:03
From: Annette Gourgey
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

I have no experience with LaTeX so can't judge that, but what I can say is that the full MathType is nothing like the Word Equation Editor regarding both versatility and ease of use. For free one can try both and compare.

-------------------------------------------
Annette Gourgey
-------------------------------------------



Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 01:02
From: Paul Thompson
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

The debate and comparative considerations of MS Word and LaTeX needs a little context.

1) Will the work product (WP) be large (book, manual) or small (article)?

Small documents can be handled in either case. As the document becomes larger, the advantages of LaTeX increase.

2) How many formulae will be produced?

If just a few, it's probably a wash. If multiple formulae as in a book, LaTeX is the more than obvious choice. One simple reason: You can write a macro or definition which can write a formula. That means that instead of writing the same formula over and over and making small changes in the symbols, you can write a small definition and make changes more simply and more accurately.

3) Is the effort a solo effort (one author) or a collaborative effort?

If the effort is collaborative, both must use the same toolset. Converting from LaTeX to Word is hard. Going from Word to LaTeX is not possible without rewriting the document. Revising a document in two formats is not a productive use of time and energy.

4) Are there other non-verbal features (pictures, drawings, etc) to be incorporated?

LaTeX can make the incorporation of external material more simple and straight-forward.

5) Are revisions of the document contemplated?

If so, LaTeX has many advantages. In particular, the formulae can be more easily seen and manipulated. In addition, in LaTeX, you can insert comments which are not part of the final document to clarify the text.

I have used LaTeX since 1983, and am the author of a class (newlfm, which composes letters and incorporates an address database). I enjoy LaTeX, but it has its limits. Large complex documents with many formulae would benefit from LaTeX. Small documents with few formulae can be done in Word.



-------------------------------------------
Paul Thompson
Director, Methodology and Data Analysis Center
Sanford Research/USD
-------------------------------------------



Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 00:39
From: William Eisenhauer
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

My point is more along the lines of "using MS Word format for the underlying documents is fairly useless if you know LaTeX".

I don't know why anyone would purposely and willfully use MS Word to typeset anything mathematical or statistical.

But to each their own.

Ike

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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
-------------------------------------------

About two years ago I decided to redo some course content.  I began doing it in PowerPoint, and discovered an application on the Mac called Brisk.  Brisk allows you to use palettes (i.e., a window of clickable buttons) of symbols to create integrals, sums, matrices, Greek letters, etc. to create equations.  This can then be exported as a graphic image that is dragged straight into MS Word or PowerPoint.  Once it's placed in the MS program, it can be resized.  Underneath, Brisk writes Latex code for you.  It was a nice introduction to Latex as the Latex code for the equation was just at the bottom of the screen and could be manipulated and the results seen immediately.  This peaked my interest enough that I got some online materials and began to learn Latex - at first, just enough to modify some of the equations in Brisk, but before long I got good enough that I was just using a Latex environment.  I still used Brisk frequently for a while in order to quickly see how to set up a particular formula.  Note that Brisk only does a single equation at a time - though the equation can have multiple lines, but you can't write a whole document in it.

I've used the Lyx editor, and it is a nice way to do Latex without writing Latex.  However, the Brisk application is friendlier and simpler, and you can manipulate the Latex code directly, whereas I find Lyx a little bit confusing (not terribly, but a bit) and you can't manipulate the Latex code directly (though you can copy it and use it in a Latex editor/environment).  The advantage I see to Lyx is that you can stay in the Lyx editor and write an entire document, whereas Brisk would probably be better for just creating a single equation at a time to import into MS Word or PowerPoint.  Documentation on Lyx emphasizes that it is not a Latex editor since you can't write Latex code directly - it merely produces Latex code for you as you use its interface.

This past month I taught myself RMarkdown and created 267 slides for a seven hour intro to R workshop (and yes - that's a lot of slides for seven hours - it was very fast paced).  I set up some great templates (mostly copying some other templates and modifying them) and the results looked awesome.  RMarkdown is a great way to create slides and other documents - it allows you to imbed Latex without being forced to do everything in Latex (as the R package, knitr, does). But there is some learning curve to get it all to work together.

There has been some concern expressed about converting documents.  Towards that end, there is an application called pandoc that can be used to convert between various document formats - see http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ for a complete list of the conversions that are possible.

I was resistant to the learning curve involved in learning Latex and had no intention of using it, but I can say that it sort of "fell into my lap" the way I stumbled into it, and it was probably the easiest way I can imagine doing it - using Brisk (or a similar application) and supplementing with some online documentation.  And now I'm really glad that I know Latex - it offers a lot of control over what you create and can be used either for the entire document or just the equations.  And it is incredibly useful in doing RMarkdown and knitr to produce documents.

Just some thoughts.  Good luck!
-David

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David Daniel
Associate Professor
New Mexico State University
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------Original Message------

I have no experience with LaTeX so can't judge that, but what I can say is that the full MathType is nothing like the Word Equation Editor regarding both versatility and ease of use. For free one can try both and compare.

-------------------------------------------
Annette Gourgey
-------------------------------------------



Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 01:02
From: Paul Thompson
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

The debate and comparative considerations of MS Word and LaTeX needs a little context.

1) Will the work product (WP) be large (book, manual) or small (article)?

Small documents can be handled in either case. As the document becomes larger, the advantages of LaTeX increase.

2) How many formulae will be produced?

If just a few, it's probably a wash. If multiple formulae as in a book, LaTeX is the more than obvious choice. One simple reason: You can write a macro or definition which can write a formula. That means that instead of writing the same formula over and over and making small changes in the symbols, you can write a small definition and make changes more simply and more accurately.

3) Is the effort a solo effort (one author) or a collaborative effort?

If the effort is collaborative, both must use the same toolset. Converting from LaTeX to Word is hard. Going from Word to LaTeX is not possible without rewriting the document. Revising a document in two formats is not a productive use of time and energy.

4) Are there other non-verbal features (pictures, drawings, etc) to be incorporated?

LaTeX can make the incorporation of external material more simple and straight-forward.

5) Are revisions of the document contemplated?

If so, LaTeX has many advantages. In particular, the formulae can be more easily seen and manipulated. In addition, in LaTeX, you can insert comments which are not part of the final document to clarify the text.

I have used LaTeX since 1983, and am the author of a class (newlfm, which composes letters and incorporates an address database). I enjoy LaTeX, but it has its limits. Large complex documents with many formulae would benefit from LaTeX. Small documents with few formulae can be done in Word.



-------------------------------------------
Paul Thompson
Director, Methodology and Data Analysis Center
Sanford Research/USD
-------------------------------------------



Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 00:39
From: William Eisenhauer
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

My point is more along the lines of "using MS Word format for the underlying documents is fairly useless if you know LaTeX".

I don't know why anyone would purposely and willfully use MS Word to typeset anything mathematical or statistical.

But to each their own.

Ike

-------------------------------------------
William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
-------------------------------------------



Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 22:05
From: Mark Lancaster
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word


MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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Version 5 worked on Word 2003 but I don't know if it's still available. They may have a support line or FAQ that could answer your questions.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:23
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Ann,

 

Thanks

Do you know if it works with Word 2003 andXP.  I have an older computer but it still works. It and the hp printer are2006.  I will read over what it says at the site more carefully but on a firstscan did not see this specified if its compatability reached back that far.

 

Greg

 

 

------Original Message------

Version 5 worked on Word 2003 but I don't know if it's still available. They may have a support line or FAQ that could answer your questions.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:23
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Ann,

 

Thanks

Do you know if it works with Word 2003 andXP.  I have an older computer but it still works. It and the hp printer are2006.  I will read over what it says at the site more carefully but on a firstscan did not see this specified if its compatability reached back that far.

 

Greg

 

 

I bought a W7 system from Dell last fall and couldn't be happier. I think they will continue to support it for a long time. XP is no longer supported by the manufacturer, which is important for getting updates against vulnerabilities. I also paid half what I paid 6 years earlier for a less powerful XP system, so the prices are very low now.

My old XP system was still "working," but it no longer ran new applications well, and some not at all. Also, I was behind my colleagues and course requirements, didn't know where things were in Office 2007+, and sometimes couldn't open files from other people. The way I finally saw it, I'd better grab a W7 system before they come out with a W8 successor that is even more geared to the tablet/entertainment/gaming user rather than the academic.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2015 16:01
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Thanks.  It is time for me to buy a newcomputer but windows 8 is a mess and I am afraid that if I get Windows 7 itwill be out of date sooner than I want it to be.  This Gateway and Windows XPhas almost lasted 10 years.

 

There are lots of YouTube videos on the Microsoft Equation Editor and MathType and maybe for some of the other products mentioned earlier.  And Windows 10 is due out later this year so I wouldn't recommend getting Windows 7.  One can make Windows 8 act somewhat like Windows 7 (but not quite - and that's a whole other discussion).

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Jim Baldwin
Station Statistician
US Forest Service
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2015 16:01
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Thanks.  It is time for me to buy a newcomputer but windows 8 is a mess and I am afraid that if I get Windows 7 itwill be out of date sooner than I want it to be.  This Gateway and Windows XPhas almost lasted 10 years.

 

I just looked on their web site FAQ, what versions of MS Office work with Mathtype. It says the current v. 6.9 works with Office 2003 and XP.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:23
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Ann,

 

Thanks

Do you know if it works with Word 2003 andXP.  I have an older computer but it still works. It and the hp printer are2006.  I will read over what it says at the site more carefully but on a firstscan did not see this specified if its compatability reached back that far.

 

Greg

 

 

Not to beat a dead horse, but yet another reason to think about LaTeX. Docs written 30 years ago are still compatible and cross platform, since they are just text files. None of the version hassles.

Ike

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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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Original Message:
Sent: 2/19/2015 11:39:27 PM
From: statsense@verizon.net
Subject: RE: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

I just looked on their web site FAQ, what versions of MS Office work with Mathtype. It says the current v. 6.9 works with Office 2003 and XP. ------------------------------------------- Annette Gourgey -------------------------------------------
Original Message: Sent: 02-19-2015 23:23 From: J. Dobbins Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Ann,

 

Thanks

Do you know if it works with Word 2003 andXP.  I have an older computer but it still works. It and the hp printer are2006.  I will read over what it says at the site more carefully but on a firstscan did not see this specified if its compatability reached back that far.

 

Greg

 

 

I have been using MathType for over 20 years. It integrates seamlessly with Word and has an extremely short learning curve - approximately 5 minutes.

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Nelson Lipshutz
Regulatory Research Corp.
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:39
From: Annette Gourgey
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

I just looked on their web site FAQ, what versions of MS Office work with Mathtype. It says the current v. 6.9 works with Office 2003 and XP.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:23
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Ann,

 

Thanks

Do you know if it works with Word 2003 andXP.  I have an older computer but it still works. It and the hp printer are2006.  I will read over what it says at the site more carefully but on a firstscan did not see this specified if its compatability reached back that far.

 

Greg

 

 

Actually, I'd like to make a pitch for simply using the current MS Word equation editor.  The folks that created MathType developed the original equation editor in Word eons ago with one needing to purchase MathType for more options (which was great).  However, since at least Word 2007, Microsoft completely re-wrote their equation editor and I can use the keyboard for most entries (such as \psi to get the Greek letter psi) and only rarely need to reach for the mouse to select other special symbols.  So if you haven't tried the newer Word equation editor, you might consider it.  (In the Windows version type Alt-= to start it up.)

The downside:  there is no automatic way to number equations.  However, there are reasonable workarounds:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158918 and http://superuser.com/questions/594559/how-do-you-easily-add-equation-numbers-to-microsoft-word-2010-equations.

Having said all of the above the two things that really count are:

1.  What does the journal outlet require?  (Science Magazine, for instance, requires MathType or the older Word equation editor.)
2.  Do your collaborators have the same software for them to edit the equations? (as mentioned by someone earlier).


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Jim Baldwin
Station Statistician
US Forest Service
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2015 11:22
From: Nelson Lipshutz
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

I have been using MathType for over 20 years. It integrates seamlessly with Word and has an extremely short learning curve - approximately 5 minutes.

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Nelson Lipshutz
Regulatory Research Corp.
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:39
From: Annette Gourgey
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

I just looked on their web site FAQ, what versions of MS Office work with Mathtype. It says the current v. 6.9 works with Office 2003 and XP.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:23
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Ann,

 

Thanks

Do you know if it works with Word 2003 andXP.  I have an older computer but it still works. It and the hp printer are2006.  I will read over what it says at the site more carefully but on a firstscan did not see this specified if its compatability reached back that far.

 

Greg

 

 

My comment may be dated by EE in Word 2003, but I found it much more difficult to use it for complex equations that include fractional terms, especially under a radical (e.g. pearson correlation). MT has been much easier at that level. If all you want is a first-degree equation, EE is enough, and you also have the capacity to "Insert" symbols including Greek letters in Word.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2015 12:17
From: James Baldwin
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Actually, I'd like to make a pitch for simply using the current MS Word equation editor.  The folks that created MathType developed the original equation editor in Word eons ago with one needing to purchase MathType for more options (which was great).  However, since at least Word 2007, Microsoft completely re-wrote their equation editor and I can use the keyboard for most entries (such as \psi to get the Greek letter psi) and only rarely need to reach for the mouse to select other special symbols.  So if you haven't tried the newer Word equation editor, you might consider it.  (In the Windows version type Alt-= to start it up.)

The downside:  there is no automatic way to number equations.  However, there are reasonable workarounds:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/158918 and http://superuser.com/questions/594559/how-do-you-easily-add-equation-numbers-to-microsoft-word-2010-equations.

Having said all of the above the two things that really count are:

1.  What does the journal outlet require?  (Science Magazine, for instance, requires MathType or the older Word equation editor.)
2.  Do your collaborators have the same software for them to edit the equations? (as mentioned by someone earlier).


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Jim Baldwin
Station Statistician
US Forest Service
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-20-2015 11:22
From: Nelson Lipshutz
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

I have been using MathType for over 20 years. It integrates seamlessly with Word and has an extremely short learning curve - approximately 5 minutes.

-------------------------------------------
Nelson Lipshutz
Regulatory Research Corp.
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:39
From: Annette Gourgey
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

I just looked on their web site FAQ, what versions of MS Office work with Mathtype. It says the current v. 6.9 works with Office 2003 and XP.

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Annette Gourgey
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 23:23
From: J. Dobbins
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

Ann,

 

Thanks

Do you know if it works with Word 2003 andXP.  I have an older computer but it still works. It and the hp printer are2006.  I will read over what it says at the site more carefully but on a firstscan did not see this specified if its compatability reached back that far.

 

Greg

 

 

If you've ever written joint papers, with non-mathematical colleagues who expect to do their own editing, you might be more understanding.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-19-2015 00:39
From: William Eisenhauer
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word

My point is more along the lines of "using MS Word format for the underlying documents is fairly useless if you know LaTeX".

I don't know why anyone would purposely and willfully use MS Word to typeset anything mathematical or statistical.

But to each their own.

Ike

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William Eisenhauer
Assistant Professor
Portland State University
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Original Message:
Sent: 02-18-2015 22:05
From: Mark Lancaster
Subject: Math / Stat Add On for MS Word


MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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MathType has a mode that allows you output equations as LaTeX, if needed. Additionally, knowing LaTeX is fairly useless if the underlying documents are expected to be in MS Word format.

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Mark Lancaster
Northern Kentucky University
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There are also online equation editors like the Daum Equation Editor that will create professional quality equations, and are free, you can then cut and paste them.

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Hello,

I have some mathematical and statistical material to type or get into printed form.  In previous efforts, I have done fairly well with "Word Equation" after you get the hang of it.  But project is a longer work and so I am looking for a simple perhaps downloadable add-in to MS Word. With, perhaps if lucky,  a tutorial on utube.  I

believe there is something called "Mathtrack" or something like that.  At any rate, I would like to do some writing involving integrals, summations, limits, histograms, plots.  And not be thinking about how to get it on paper rather than what is on the paper.  I know all about how "R" is used but would prefer to not have something so cryptic to me. I realize it is quite a tool these days but am hoping to find something simpler or more natural to me, an older guy. 

I use Minitab, have taken a lot of SAS courses and used it some and of course know Excel but need something that handles mathematical symbols, etc. I realize you can do just about anything with SAS if you are willing to build it molecule by molecule but that is not what I want.  I want to maximize thinking about math and minimize computers yet be able to communicate clearly.

Any suggestions welcome.

Thank you very much.

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J. Dobbins
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