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Ethics in teaching

  • 1.  Ethics in teaching

    Posted 14 days ago

    Suppose that you give your students an exam. In that exam, you put several traps to find out if students are cheating. Then you find several of those students are cheating. It is certain without question. 

    If I decide to talk to the Dean or my Department Head about the cheating, there will be a "trial" and it would be possible that students will fail the class. But, until that point, the accused students will continue to be students in my class and able to write bad reviews for me in the "student evaluation" section. Since the student evals are anonymous, I can't have those bad evals removed. Since some of my dept heads believe a 3.2 out of 5 with 6 (or so) evals is sufficient evidence of poor performance, a "1.8" with 8 evals would essentially mean I am fired or "unassigned" from that university. 

    Even if I wait until after class is over or the trial proceeds and concludes before the end of the term, the students can still go to RateMyProfessor, which future students will see and can hinder my ability to get enough students to enroll in a class I teach. 

    Since I am an adjunct lecturer, my annual salary is generally so low that I qualify for Food Stamps and Medicaid. A loss of a class would potentially get me partial unemployment in some semesters. 

    Last time I turned in students for cheating, the only thing the dept did was complain that half of my evals were 1's. I caught 6 students cheating and I had 7 or 8 1's. Some students that gave me the 1's complained in the open response area about how I was horrible because I caught them cheating and ruined their 'academic career'. (The dept didn't care that the cheaters rated me poorly.) For the next 3 semester's after that, my "overall" rating was too low. And, there were consistent comments about how I had such a really bad first semester. Reporting those students cost me about $100,000 in lost wages. 

    Which leads me to a decision. Do I turn in these students and suffer for THEIR actions. Or, do I decide to do everything I can to keep the teaching assignments I have and not do anything? 



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    Andrew Ekstrom

    Statistician, Chemist, HPC Abuser;-)
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  • 2.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 12 days ago

    The question I would like to ask is ,How often do the students come to you for clarification and how well do you accept them?



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    Agnes Duah
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  • 3.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 12 days ago

    When a student asks a question, I try to get back to them within minutes. I'll do a zoom meeting or in person meeting if requested. 



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    Andrew Ekstrom

    Statistician, Chemist, HPC Abuser;-)
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  • 4.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 11 days ago

    I think that a problem nearly as big as your cheating students is the lack of support for a faculty member doing his job.

    Not sure what the solution to that is.

    Maybe talk to the dean or department chair in advance of the class and find out how they feel and what they would want to see you do. If possible, get in writing (at least an email summary) of what steps they are OK with for cheating.

    I like the idea Stephen suggested of being less draconian in punishment, although I understand the feeling we faculty have that any cheating is a slap in the face to the school and instructor. I think that people cheated on (in marriage as well as in classes!) often feel the cheating to be far worse than the cheater did.

    I don't know that I would continue working in an institution that would fire me because I did a good job rooting out cheating. Have you looked at other possible employers?

    Ed



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    Edward Gracely
    Associate Professor
    Drexel University
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  • 5.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 9 days ago

    I am looking for other job opportunities. The job openings for adjuncts is dwindling. Most of the available openings are for lower wages. 

    I'm looking for other opportunities outside of teaching. 



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    Andrew Ekstrom

    Statistician, Chemist, HPC Abuser;-)
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  • 6.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 12 days ago

    There are many possible solutions to this problem. These are only partial solutions, and you may or may not like some of them. But at least consider them.

    1. Write the exam in such a way that it is difficult to cheat. You've written before about giving each student a different subset of the data. It takes time and energy, but wouldn't that be better than the time and energy you have already expended devising your traps?

    2. When you catch student cheating, just give them a warning. If you catch them again, then give them a penalty, but not so much of a penalty as to ruin their career. Maybe require them to complete an independent test or assignment that no one else gets. I've always thought that cheating policies are much too draconian.

    3. Do what Deming did. Tell everyone at the beginning of the class that they are all getting A's. That removes the incentive to cheat. I know that you can't do this, but it is worth noting anyway. I love teaching, but I hate grading. Not because it takes too much time, but because it doesn't help the students learn any better. If anything, the anxiety that grading produces makes it harder for students to learn.



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    Stephen Simon, blog.pmean.com
    Independent Statistical Consultant
    P. Mean Consulting
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  • 7.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 12 days ago

    Because of how I am teaching, it's all done online. I give them several days to do the exams too. 

    When I teach certain classes in person, I'll make say 2 versions of the exam. Same questions. Just different orders. 

    Since I just change some numbers on my exams, like X1= 5.54 on an early exam and X1 = 4.55 on the later exam, it's easy to see who cheated. 

    I have videos for all of my students to watch. I allow them to use those videos and notes, calculator, etc, to do the problems. Plus, about 30% of the exam is opinion based. So, it's less stress than it could be. I give partial credit if the numeric answer is in the ball park. So, it's possible for a student to get every math problem wrong, and still get about a 70%. 

    The previous time I spoke up about students cheating, I warned the class about what happened. I was berated for that. The students that did cheat, literally just changed the name on the top of the exam. Everything else was verbatim. I told the dean, I'd give credit to the person that did the work, if the other person admitted they cheated and fail the student on that exam that did cheat. (I could have failed them for the course and possibly had them kicked out of the university with their transcripts locked. So, I figure I was lenient. ) 



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    Andrew Ekstrom

    Statistician, Chemist, HPC Abuser;-)
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  • 8.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 11 days ago

    I'm going to ask a question. Why are you working for these people? You have valuable skills and talents that could be put to productive use. Why waste them furthering the aims of people whose values you quite reasonably despise?

    As a person in a leadership position, you might be in a position to try to change things. But you aren't. So why not simply leave? I think it's greatly self-damaging to continue to work for these people. In order to justify continuing working for them, you have to lie to yourself that you are trapped, that you somehow can't help it. To do that, you have to continually demean yourself and your skills and your self-worth and your sense of integrity. If there's anything lowering your value, it's that. Why not take this as an opportunity to work for people you can respect?

    As Josh Groben and Cirque de Soleil once put it in "Let Me Fall," you have to trust that "The one I want, the one I will become will catch me."

    W. Edwards Deming had a lot to say about this whole situation. He opposed grading in school, saying grades simply make people game the system to focus on getting better scores rather than learning. He opposed ranking schools, saying that ranking encourages schools, among other ills, to artificially up their graduation rates and other numbers rather than to focus on giving students a good education. 

    And he opposed students rating professors while in school, saying that professors should only be rated by alumni 10 or more years after graduation, because only then will students be in a position to know the value of what the professor is teaching. How can students possibly know whether the material will help them in life, or what its value will prove to be, while they are taking the course? All they can tell is things like whether the professor has a pleasing lecture style. One might as well rate medicine by how pleasing it tastes while one is taking it. The best medicines long-term are often not the ones that taste the pleasantest at the time they are administered. As with medicine, so with learning, and with professors. 

    This is not to say you are obligated to be a purist about these things.

    But once you are in a situation like the one you report, where students are openly engaging in and the administration is openly condoning out and out fraud to the point of punishing those who report it, based on student comments complaining about objections to cheating, this is ust not a healthy place to be. Look for another job. Whether you give the administration another chance and report this first or not is up to you. Looking doesn't hurt even if the administration comes through this time and you decide to stay. 

    I don't in any way recommend lawyers as a way to resolve disputes. But this time, you might want to consider talking to one.

    My comments here are entirely my own.  



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    Jonathan Siegel
    Director Statistical Sciences
    Bayer US Pharmaceuticals
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  • 9.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 11 days ago

    I've been trying to get out of teaching for a long time. 

    The ATS resume readers don't do well changing from a teaching position to a non-teaching position. So, most of my applications get removed as soon as I apply. 

    The last in person interview I had, which was over a year ago, the hiring person wanted to know why I was giving up on teaching at a college level. They decided I should stay in academia. 

    At a couple other job interviews I had, there were some discussions about does programing with SQL in a Oracle or SQL Server count as using SQL in Python, SAS or R. I say yes. Because I am right. They got it wrong and said no. 

    Add on top of that, a lot of the non-academic positions by me have all sorts of silliness that they hiring managers believe is true. (Data scientists need to 10 years of programming experience in every known language except Python and R, right?) And that is for an "entry level" job. 

    Some of the jobs I've applied to in an Institutional Research department don't care that I've given talks about how to model student success and making significant positive changes is both easy and quick ROI. They care more about using their software systems and less about doing the analysis well. 

    I've applied to several statistical consulting jobs in my area. Especially at hospitals. But, my masters degrees are in applied math and applied stats. My bachelor's degree was a double major in Biochemistry and Physics. But, the hospitals don't want someone with real subject matter expertise. 

    On the other hand, I get an interview about 80% of the time when I apply for an adjunct teaching position. 0% with the full time positions.  So, I have options.

    1) Teach where I am and stay in poverty. 

    2) Try to teach at as many places as possible

    3) ?????



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    Andrew Ekstrom

    Statistician, Chemist, HPC Abuser;-)
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  • 10.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 10 days ago

    Andrew

    This is disheartening at so many levels. Many years ago I had a similar incident. I was teaching as an adjunct and found a number of my students had collaborated(cheated) on a take home exam.  As Ed said I took it as a slap in the face. The dean and the administration refused to back me up. I resigned in protest as did  one of the non-cheating students who saw the venality of the school. In retrospect I wish I had not taken it so personally and simply given an in class exam where a good percentage of the cheaters would have probably failed. But even that outcome would not have  been for the best because I agree with the sentiment about doing away with grades altogether.

    But though both students and faculty may agree that the whole grading system is probably not the best, cheating is unacceptable and ought to be called out and confronted when encountered.  The punishment ought not be draconian. But both individuals and groups have to understand that ethics matter and breaching those ethics must have consequences.

    The other disheartening element to your post is your personal story. Based on your very thoughtful and important questions you have raised on this forum in the past I would say that you are precisely the kind of teacher we need.  I was fortunate to have an alternative career that allowed me to resign in protest. Clearly you do not have that option. And that is awful.

    Rather than giving up teaching completely have you considered becoming a full time math or stats teacher in the public schools? In my retirement I have found tutoring high school kids in math surprisingly rewarding. Teaching in person can be so much more satisfying than teaching online. Also the public schools are desperate for math teachers. 

    In any event I hope you do not give up on teaching. Or do not have to.



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    Michael Sack Elmaleh
    Principal
    Michael Sack Elmaleh CPA, CVA
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  • 11.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 11 days ago

    "Lenient" and "harsh" are relative terms. Here's what I consider a lenient choice. You could have told the students that you knew that they cheated and asked them to re-submit the test without telling them which questions helped you identify the cheating. When they turn the test back in and you satisfy yourself that they worked independently, then grade them on the second test.

    I was in your position a few years back and I acted the way you did. Today, I look back and think I was too harsh. Maybe I am mellowing out as I get older. Or maybe it is a sign of early dementia.



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    Stephen Simon, blog.pmean.com
    Independent Statistical Consultant
    P. Mean Consulting
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  • 12.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 11 days ago

    I think Dr. Gracely makes an excellent and important point: what is really disturbing isn't that some students try to cheat and then get mad about the consequences when they get caught (that has been happening since there have been students and teachers), it's that the department views the instructor as the problem and punishes him/her.

    If your employment prospects elsewhere are good, then take this as a sign that your values and those of your current employer are not compatible and leave the organization. Compromising so fundamentally on your values, especially on something as obviously wrong as cheating, will only leave you feeling deflated.

    I am not a full-time (or even part time) professor, I am a grad student, although I have done a lot of teaching and have encountered situations similar to those that you describe. I have also taken a hard line (relative to other instructors or professors) approach to cheating and it has probably cost me in terms of teaching assignments. As a TA I saw too many professors ignore or tolerate cheating and I lost all respect for them, so I refused to go down that path.

    Another constituency whose interests we should recognize are the students that DON'T cheat, the ones who come to class each day, pay attention, do the homework and really try to master the material. They know what is going on, they know who is cheating, and they generally stay silent. But they hate it when cheaters are treated leniently (or not punished at all) and it undermines the "values" that so many universities claim to espouse.

    This may not help you in your dilemma but if nothing else, understand that there are many people, students and teachers, who support your actions and abhor the attitude of your dept chair. Good luck.



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    Thomas Koundakjian
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  • 13.  RE: Ethics in teaching

    Posted 10 days ago

    At one places I used to work at, the dept final was the same for all the students. My class was the last to take the exam. A student that barely knew how to use his calculator, managed to get an "A" on the final. The previous exam, I took video of him literally moving someone's arm so he could see what they wrote done. (I admit I was thoroughly amused by how brazen he was and he choose the most virtuous and strongest guy in the room to cheat off of.) 

    When I discussed that with the higher ups. The 75 minute video wasnt enough "proof". Since it was at a religious university, it was "a miracle" the student did well on the final.... nothing to do with the student storing answers on a borrowed calculator. I no longer work there. 

    I am actively trying to get out of teaching. It's becoming a cesspool. Last term, I had a student complain about how, " He (me) taught something they weren't interested in!" Instead of my dept head laughing the student out of her office, I had a 30min+ conversation about why did I cover the topic. 

    I was accused of being racist many times now. I talk to my students about Simpsons paradox and lurking variables. The easiest and most widely known issue I know of is standardized test results. Urban and poor rural school districts don't do well. Rich school districts do well. I show them data i had where we find the only color that matters, if we want to predict how well a student will do on those exams is green. I showed that poor students, no matter their race or ethnicity, do poorly. The non-poor students, no matter there race or ethnicity do much better. (To help mynstudents succeed, i bring a dozen or so TI-84  calculators to my class for them to use. I alsomshow mynstudents how tomuse Excel to do a lot of the same things. Oddly, my students pass my class about 90% of the time and all races and ethnicities pass at the same rate.) Which, according to the offended students means, "Professor Ekstrom thinks all black people are dumb and poor." 

    Thankfully I record all my lectures. We went to the recording. Nowhere did I say that. But, because I made a student think I said that, I'm in trouble... and no longer working there either. 

    Since I can't get a job as anything but an adjunct lecturer with my math and stats degrees, I'm starting a third MS program this summer in Engineering. Which will mean I've changed careers about every 10 years. 



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    Andrew Ekstrom

    Statistician, Chemist, HPC Abuser;-)
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