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The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

  • 1.  The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 06-27-2019 16:18
    ​Today's Supreme Court's decision on the census citizenship question deserves, I think, a bit of reflection when we think about our role as a scientific community in questions of public policy. In this as in some other well-known past decisions, Chief Justice Roberts was the only justice who agreed with the entire decision, joining with the court's 4 more liberal members for part and its 4 more conservative members for a different part. As a society working in a public that sometimes has extremely divergent views, we will also sometimes have to perform similar straddles. I think its points, agree with them are not, are useful ones for a discussion on our appropriate role.

    One thing Roberts' opinion emphasized is that politicians and bureaucrats have no obligation to listen to scientists on issues of public policy. Public policy is not merely a matter of fact or technique; it involves values. What may appear to be the less efficient method will often be preferable to the more efficient method because of value considerations. There is rarely only one goal in public policy. The obviously best method to achieve one goal will often run contrary to other goals. It is not the role of the technocrats to say what the goals are. That is the job of the elected politicians and the politically appointed administrators. In particular, the census has never served only the goal of the best possible enumeration. It has always collected other data serving other goals.  The opinion suggested the Census Bureau could, through an open and honest process, potentially add a citizenship question and doing so could potentially serve legitimate purposes.

    At the same time, administrators have to be honest about what their goals are, and there has to be some alignment between the stated goals and their means. "The reasoned explanation requirement of administrative law, after all, is meant to ensure that agencies offer genuine justifications for important decisions, reasons that can be scrutinized by courts and the interested public. Accepting contrived reasons would defeat the purpose of the enterprise."

    This opinion, in other words, sets out a view of the appropriate role of technical and scientific opinion in the government administrative system. On the one hand, government officials don't have to agree with the scientists, especially on goals. Scientists' values and goals get no more weight than anyone else's. The four justices who said they should were in the minority. Perhaps most importantly for our profession, Justice Roberts' opinion specifically said political administrators are free to be skeptical about statistician's claims about the practical reliability of their models as optimistic, and to regard their assumptions with skepticism, based on nothing more than gut feel and general life experience. At the same time, the opinion suggests that scientists play an important role in keeping politicians honest, in discussing the consequences of goals, and in discussing whether goals and actions are congruent.

    I imagine most ASA members would probably prefer the greater role given scientific and technical advice, and particularly statistical advice, in the 4-Justice concurring opinion authored by Justice Breyer, who argued that courts ought to defer to the scientific expertise of the Census Bureau's technical staff, not the political values and views of its politically appointed administrator. The difference is an important one, and the 5-4 split shows how closely divided the court, and our society, is on these issues.

     But the majority opinion is the one we have to live with. And while the majority opinion calls for a lesser role, it is still an important one. We may have to learn how to live, and how to be as effective as we can, within it.

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    Jonathan Siegel
    Deputy Director Clinical Statistics

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  • 2.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 06-28-2019 07:31
    Dear All:

    I think Jonathan makes some very good points.  As a social scientist with quite a lot of statistical training and knowledge, I would note that there are areas where statistics is directly in the law, or has been imported.  In many of those cases, the statistical analysis is somewhat rudimentary.  As a very well known litigator said to me:  "Look, if I were good at numbers and statistics, I would have never become a lawyer."

    I have even added as exhibits, sections of statistics textbooks to help educate the judge.

    Andy

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    Andrew Beveridge
    Professor of Sociology
    Queens and Grad Center CUNY
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  • 3.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-01-2019 11:18
    Andy's comment on the math ability of lawyers suggests an interesting obiter dictum, if I may.
    For a very long time the LSAT was required to be admited to law school -- the feature it has that distinguished it from other admissions tests was it (proudly) had no math section. Over the past few years a number of law schools have started to accept (and eve prefer) the GRE instead. They reached this decision because (i) it seems to preedict perfromance in law school as well or better than the LSAT, and (ii) it has math on it, which law schools are beginning to believe is an increasingly important  skill for lawyers.

    I note that in response to a prosecutor who calculated P(DNA match | innocence) and interpreted it as P(Innocence|DNA match) the US Supreme Court named such a lack of Bayesian understanding "The Prosecutor's Fallacy". 

    It is a new world.



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    Howard Wainer
    Extinguished Research Scientist
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  • 4.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-02-2019 09:03
    Once a friend was studying for the LSAT. I found that math was the best preparation for it. I remember how we worked out a problem and he put down the wrong answer because he lacked the mathematical training to keep all results in mind.

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    Chuck Coleman
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  • 5.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-02-2019 09:14
    My colleague Andrew Hacker claims that the Verbal part of the SAT etc., is really not a reading test but a simple mathematical test masquerading as a verbal test.  I think he has a point.

    Andy

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    Andrew Beveridge
    Professor of Sociology
    Queens and Grad Center CUNY
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  • 6.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-02-2019 13:04
    This is somewhat off topic but a bit related.  Does anyone know whether people with strong math and logic skills are more apt to be rejected as jurors?

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    Emil M Friedman, PhD
    emilfriedman@gmail.com
    http://www.statisticalconsulting.org
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  • 7.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-02-2019 15:05
    Dear All:
    This is a very interesting question.  I have had a lot of experience challenging jury wheels (the whole system) not just the panels.  I also have done a study on Death Penalty Qualification in the context of NY States defunct capital punishment statute.  For over 10 years, I did many jury system challenges, both state and local.  The general notion is that people who make up their own mind are not favored, esepcially by prosecutors.

    But I don't know if anyone has ever done a study of who gets excluded for cause.

    Andy

    P.S.  One of my clients was David Sweat, recently played by Paul Dano in the show Escape at Danemora, which was on showtime.  He was sentenced to life without parole (LWOP) even before NY State stopped the death penalty.

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    Andrew Beveridge
    Professor of Sociology
    Queens and Grad Center CUNY
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  • 8.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-02-2019 15:50
    What does "people who make up their own mind are not favored" mean?  Does that mean people who are capable of critical thinking?  Does that mean that lawyers favor people who follow the crowd?

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    Emil M Friedman, PhD
    emilfriedman@gmail.com
    http://www.statisticalconsulting.org
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  • 9.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-02-2019 17:16
    Yes and Yes.

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    Andrew Beveridge
    Professor of Sociology
    Queens and Grad Center CUNY
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  • 10.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-02-2019 17:19
    Sounds like a very flawed jury system.

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    Emil M Friedman, PhD
    emilfriedman@gmail.com
    http://www.statisticalconsulting.org
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  • 11.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 06-28-2019 10:45

    Some of this resonates with me. I spent well over a decade working as citizen, organizer, and board member at the muni, regional, and state level working the spectrum of public policy, from initiatives to running elected's campaigns. Disagreement was generated by: 1. different factual knowledge, 2. different analysis, and 3. different values. Intellectually honest deliberation with objective technical support could resolve 1 and 2.  We as scientists hold no special privilege to superior values. When can't do much to help with 3, other than highlight differences in projected outcomes under different policies. However, we need to be extremely cognizant that many of our electeds want to stay away from 3 whenever possible. Their preference is to convert a "3" problem to a "2" problem. The public rarely notices that the (real) specific objectives are rarely explicit, except for wedge issue (there is also a common conflation of the means with the ends).  More relevant to our organization, I sat on an oversight board for a multibillion dollar transportation system budget. Many of the underlying decisions were made   ​​before any public deliberation or recorded vote made. The direction that decisions would go were corralled through the agency's modeling (economic, demographic, financial, transportation, environmental...), which was used to justify decisions. This is rarely done in the light of day. In my case the models were not easy for the  public to obtain (if at all), and difficult to get at even oversight board member with the legal authority that specifically indicated that the models would be subject to my review. In the end, I never saw any modeling done that was not substantially inadequate for the application. Some of it was blatantly bad. The press commonly took the model predictions as fact and those facts were in turn used to drive what was really a value judgment into a decision of the whole deliberative body. So, to simplify  a bit, it made it  look like electeds were really just deferring to science  

    We can provide service by taking the time to review the models, and science in general, when our government bodies use modeling in their deliberations. Don't assume they have been vetted or reviewed by anyone. Most of the public wouldn't feel comfortable with that task. We do hold the special ability to look critically at those models. Citizens should also be skeptical of what agencies bring to the table and not just assume they are reasonable or constructed with objectivity in mind. As citizens and support scientists we should require that decision making bodies first establish what specific END goals are being sought.



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    Kevin Cummins
    Senior Statisticain
    UCSD
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  • 12.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 06-28-2019 10:50
    ​Thank you for the insightful comments.  I appreciated reading them.

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    Philip R. Scinto
    Senior Fellow
    The Lubrizol Corporation
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  • 13.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-03-2019 09:14

    From https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/decennial-census/2020-census/about.html, with emphasis added.

    As mandated by the U.S. Constitution, our nation gets just one chance each decade to count its population. The U.S. census counts every resident in the United States. It is mandated by Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution and takes place every 10 years. The data collected by the census determine the number of seats each state has in the U.S. House of Representatives (a process called apportionment) and is also used to distribute billions in federal funds to local communities.

    The next census in 2020 will require counting an increasingly diverse and growing population of around 330 million people in more than 140 million housing units. To get an accurate count, the Census Bureau must build an accurate address list of every housing unit, maximize self-response to the census, and efficiently follow up with those who do not respond.

    I write to comment on Jonathan Siegel's statement that, "One thing Roberts' opinion emphasized is that politicians and bureaucrats have no obligation to listen to scientists on issues of public policy." The harsh anti-science attitude attributed to the Chief Justice of United States sparked me to study his actual opinion.

    To my relief, I found nothing in it that frees governmental policymakers, political and judicial, from their core responsibilities to seek appropriate input from relevant and qualified experts of all types. including experts in the sciences (including mathematics and statistics). This matter was reaffirmed with respect to litigation testimony in Justice Blackmun's brilliant opinion in Daubert v. Merrell Dow.

    To be sure, however, there is a passage in Roberts' opinion that expresses a truism: Policymakers are free to discount or even set aside "objective evidence"and render decisions that "are routinely informed by unstated considerations of politics, the legislative process, public relations, interest group relations, foreign relations, and national security concerns (among others)." (Page 24.) In short, government policymakers may listen intently and understand the objective evidence just fine, but they may decide to act in a manner contrary to it.

    In a passage reflecting a pro-science view, or, at least, a tolerant-of-science view, Roberts acknowledged and even applauded the testimony that Secretary of Commerce (may have) "listened" to past studies related to the issue and considered alternative methodologies to obtain sound counts. But he also expressed that the Secretary had the legal right to choose the methodology himself--as long as his decision-making was based on sound and constitutionally legal reasoning, even if that reasoning was more subjective than objective.

    What tilted Chief Justice Roberts to vote with the Liberal SCOTUS Four? From Pages 27-28:

    Altogether, the evidence tells a story that does not match the explanation the Secretary gave for his decision. In the Secretary's telling, Commerce was simply acting on a routine data request from another agency. Yet the materials before us indicate that Commerce went to great lengths to elicit the request from DOJ (or any other willing agency). And unlike a typical case in which an agency may have both stated and unstated reasons for a decision, here the Voting Rights Act enforcement rationale-the sole stated reason-seems to have been contrived.
     
    ... we cannot ignore the disconnect between the decision made and the explanation given.

     

    In sum, the Roberts' opinion is not antithetical to science. Rather, the Chief Justice split with the more conservative four-judge block in order to render a 5-4 decision that is congruent with (1) insisting that Trump administration officials be transparent and truthful in their motives and (2) requiring that they adhere to the rule of law, in this case a longstanding one that requires the Census Bureau (and, thus, the Secretary of Commerce, and, thus, the President of the United States) to use methods designed to minimize Census undercounting-and certainly not to increase that undercoat in a blatantly biased manner.



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    Ralph O'Brien
    Professor of Biostatistics (officially retired; still keenly active)
    Case Western Reserve University
    http://rfuncs.weebly.com/about-ralph-obrien.html
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  • 14.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-03-2019 14:10
    I think there's a lot of gray between the very  deferential Breyer opinion, which would have deference to the scientists and overruled the politicians when the two came into sharp conflict, and being "hostile to science." As I understand your comments, under the Roberts opinion the scientists get a voice but not a veto, and I generally would tend to agree with that assessment.

    What I would point out is that this middle position, while far from hostile, is still very different from the deferential position, and I suspect this difference may have major implications for future policy.

    Two quick examples come to mind: the environment and various medical and health care issues. In the past, courts would overrule politicians and even strike down laws based on the views of scientists and doctors. 

    The Roberts opinion suggests that, while the Roberts court will likely never express active hostility to scientists' and doctors views - Chief Justice Roberts in particular is a very polite individual - nonetheless when there is conflict, the view of politicians and political authorities will tend to prevail.

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    Jonathan Siegel
    Deputy Director Clinical Statistics
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  • 15.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-03-2019 22:55

    WRT Jonathan Siegel's response to my posting this morning (3 July 2019), I strongly agree that SCOTUS's overall use of scientific evidence/testimony has long been wanting, is now more troubling than ever, and the future looks even bleaker. I merely focused on the Census & citizenship case and only on Roberts' majority opinion, which wasn't as bad as I feared, and I now fear every SCOTUS decision.

    But writing more freely here, let me say that if all US policymakers, governmental and judicial, announced their resignations tomorrow effective 20 Jan 2021, they would come to be replaced by at least a plurality of people who share the same cavalier, if not hostile, attitude towards science, scientists, and the scientific method. As Lawrence M. Krause wrote in A Universe from Nothing, "data rarely impress people who have decided in advance that something is wrong with the picture." Krause's 2010 opinion piece in Scientific American contains compelling data that point to why we in the US have the policymakers we have. That was a decade ago, It's certainly no better now.




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    Ralph O'Brien
    Professor of Biostatistics (officially retired; still keenly active)
    Case Western Reserve University
    http://rfuncs.weebly.com/about-ralph-obrien.html
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  • 16.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-05-2019 10:25
    ​Can we keep things academic and ask why this is happening? We're supposed to review information with objective curiosity, otherwise we really don't deserve an audience beyond what is afforded to any average citizen.

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    Shalese Fitzgerald
    University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
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  • 17.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-06-2019 09:13

    Shalese Fitzgerald asked, Can we ... ask why this is happening?" I take that to mean, why do so many US public policymakers devalue or even wholly disregard scientific evidence?

    I addressed this in my second posting, but perhaps I was too brief or subtle (rarely a fault of mine). To state the obvious, I quoted the noted theoretical astrophysicist Lawrence M. Krause: "data rarely impress people who have decided in advance that something is wrong with the picture." Then I provided a link to Krause's 2010 opinion piece in Scientific American. That piece may be too opinionated for some, but it contains compelling data that help explain why we in the US elect and appoint policymakers who lack an "appreciation" for science.  Krause began by reporting on survey response data obtained by Sciencemagazine that was collected during the 2010 edition of the NSF's biennial study Science and Engineering Indicators, which probes the public's attitudes and understanding of basic science. 

    Quoting Krause:

    When presented with the statement "human beings, as we know them today, developed from earlier species of animals," just 45 percent of [United States] respondents indicated "true." Compare this figure with the affirmative percentages in Japan (78), Europe (70), China (69) and South Korea (64). Only 33 percent of Americans agreed that "the universe began with a big explosion."

    The 2018 edition of the same NSF study reported that 29% of Americans responded that astrology was "sort of scientific," 8% thought astrology was "very scientific", and 3% said they "didn't know how scientific" astrology is. These sum to 40%.

    The infamous "Scopes Monkey Trial" (State of Tennessee v. John Thomas Scopes) happened 96 years ago. How far has the United States really come?

    Having proudly served my assistant professor years at "Mr. (Thomas) Jefferson's University" (of Virginia; Way to go, Hoos!), allow me to state his oft-mentioned truism: An educated electorate is the foundation of any democracy. And being "educated" certainly included science. Referring to the famous quip by Ben Franklin, our democracy has survived for 230 years, but can we keep it?



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    Ralph O'Brien
    Professor of Biostatistics (officially retired; still keenly active)
    Case Western Reserve University
    http://rfuncs.weebly.com/about-ralph-obrien.html
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  • 18.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-06-2019 19:40

    Thank you, I will rephrase as I am often guilty of giving poor reference points. We can objectively measure and reach consensus on what seems to be the growing dismissal of scientific opinion among prominent political figures. I do not feel I have enough information to say with any certainty why this is happening. Many questions come to mind, some of which I've listed here.

     

    Is this the public figure's true belief or something they feel they must present to attain or keep favor?

    If it is a true belief, what is happening such that those who reject science are accepted to make public policy?

    If it is not a true belief, are they seeking favor from seniors, peers, or those they represent?

    Is this truly a growing rate of dismissal or a sort of normal ebb and flow that has always existed?

    Perhaps we are wrong altogether and it is simply bad coincidence; maybe voting regularly occurs shortly after lunch during which a group of doctors has often stolen the policy maker's favorite table.

     

    The links provided hint at addressing one of these questions and definitely present areas for improvement among ourselves. Krause's opinion lists rates instead of odds with no mention of significances. The NSF questions regarding astrology have an underlying sample that is not representative of the latest US census regarding educational attainment.

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    Shalese Fitzgerald
    University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
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  • 19.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-09-2019 15:12

    If I could offer an opinion, I think the devaluing of scientific expertise originates in our school system (K-12, and college).  Outside of a few science courses, there is little emphasis put on the scientific method: stating a hypothesis, then gathering facts or evidence about the hypothesis, especially those facts that don't support your view. Education is mostly indoctrination ('believe it because I say it is true') and propaganda. Thus it is not surprising that our elected officials don't place much value on scientific testimony. After all, it is just another 'opinion', no more or less important than any other opinion. IMHO.



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    Terry Meyer
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  • 20.  RE: The Supreme Court Decision on the Census Citizenship Question

    Posted 07-09-2019 17:12
    We have to bear in mind that the Supreme Court is charged with deciding what position is most inline with the Constitution and many parts of the Constitution are worded ambiguously.  Scientific evidence is used to relate with that issue.

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    Emil M Friedman, PhD
    emilfriedman@gmail.com
    http://www.statisticalconsulting.org
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